Painted Hills, John Day Fossil Beds NM, 2011

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    NancyGoodenough
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      Here’s one I tried working on over the years/decade. I redid in Capture One.  I kinda got the experience I was looking for with this image, but always struggle with accurate lighting. Feedback appreciated. It feels busy.

      Painted Hills

      #2804 Quote
      Steve Ruddy
      Keymaster

        This is a tuff one for me as I know your style. I have to go now but I will return when I have had time to think about it more.

        Update! I have been thinking about this image and don’t have any straight answers. I see what your saying about the lighting. At first glance the sky doesn’t seem to go with the ground. I can see at least one opening through the clouds but I don’t see any indication of areas of light hitting the ground. Did you have any hints of this before processing? Sometimes I will crank exposure way down so I can see were the lightest areas are located. I would use that for this image and brush an adjustment in so you can see them at normal exposure setting.
        Maybe increase the highlights too, looks pretty flat to me.

         

         

         

        • This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by Steve Ruddy.
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        #2905 Quote
        NancyGoodenough
        Participant

          So here’s a new version. Probably still problematic, but more Nancified. 11-10-31_1300159_var6_19-34-24_var1_19-55-17_1920x1200 LOGO

          #2909 Quote
          Steve Ruddy
          Keymaster

            Wow IMO it’s looking way better already, maybe a little heavy on the vignette or edge darkening but maybe that’s part of what’s working. I generally don’t prefer heavy vignettes, but think darkening edges can help so sometimes I will erase parts of the vignette to kinda camouflaged it. I wish I had the full size lightbox working so we can all see it better. It’s ok on an ipad but stinks on a large monitor. rrrr I will get this resolved asap.

            #2930 Quote
            terry connelly
            Participant

              I really enjoy the composition of this work Nancy. You have chosen a very effective composition. the composition brings in all the elements of the scene and guides me around to each so that I feel I am there. The many triangles create a map for me to follow. Like Steve, I found the work rather flat. the light Steve added helped me move through the scene better. It gives me a place to rest and appreciate. I know your work is generally darker and for the most part that works exceedingly well. It often paints a picture of a storm as you have here. How far in any work does that go before the darkness becomes the message and scene itself becomes lost in that darkness. Here I see a vast landscape full of remarkable color and form. Instead of being able to really appreciate that though I am lost to the darkness. I suggest relooking at how the heavy contrast in this work effects the overall work. What is you goal here? What do you want your viewers to come away with?

              #2931 Quote
              Steve Ruddy
              Keymaster

                Something to consider  is the background in which this piece will be viewed. I was getting ready to mention how much negative space there is in the lower right hand corner. However after clicking the image to inspect it in full size, I was able to see detail in that area. There is a size difference at play but the other factor is we are looking at one image on the webpages white background and the full size image is shown on a neutral gray background. The full image shows nice strip of detail nearly reaching into the corner and that watermark placement takes up the black space nicely. I make a practice of changing the background shade of my photo editor for this reason.

                I think you really improved this image and IMO would consider it a success. If I had to nitpick when I click to see it large in the light box it looks amazing but maybe a tad too sharp for my taste.

                #2967 Quote
                Steve Muench
                Moderator

                  Screen Shot 2022-05-11 at 3.55.33 PMMy take: I brushed in reductions in contrast and structure in a few areas, especially the ‘shinyness’ in the center:

                   

                  #2974 Quote
                  NancyGoodenough
                  Participant

                    Thanks, all. I see too bright in the center.

                    SteveM, don’t see your screenshot. Would like to. n

                    #2975 Quote
                    NancyGoodenough
                    Participant

                      Oh, and larger version looks different from what I did. Too detailed, agree SteveR. And probably too dark, agree, Terry. SteveM, interested in seeing the screenshot you did. Thanks much!!!

                       

                      #2978 Quote
                      Steve Ruddy
                      Keymaster

                        Not sure why a few users images are not showing. Steve try deleting and adding another image. Make it a jpg with 1920 px on the long edge and lets see if that works. Oh and the images should be sRGB.

                         

                         

                         

                        #2979 Quote
                        Steve Muench
                        Moderator

                          Mine are PNGs and they show up just fine in Safari, but not in Firefox or Brave. This is a conversion of that PNG screenshot to JPG. Its a screenshot of Safari showing that Safari shows a PNG just fine. Are other browsers still graphically deficient, or is it a matter of settings? Research needed.

                          And then I was able to see my PNG of Nancy’s Yakima train image in all 3 browsers…

                          Nancy, were you using Safari?

                          Screen Shot 2022-05-11 at 8.23.38 PM

                          #2980 Quote
                          Steve Muench
                          Moderator

                            Here is the conversion of my edited tiff to sRGB JPG:

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                            #2982 Quote
                            NancyGoodenough
                            Participant

                              SteveM, on both Firefox on my laptop as well as Safari on my iPhone, I can see the last two jpegs, but on Neither can I see the screen shot 2022-05-11 at 3.55.33 on your May 11 at 3:48pm post, so it’s both Firefox and Safari not showing your png for me.

                              #2983 Quote
                              Steve Ruddy
                              Keymaster

                                I’m pretty sure all major browsers these days will display png. However not all will read color profiles and that’s why if you don’t want to experience immediate noticeable color change when uploading images convert to sRGB. Yes is a smaller colorspace but most images fit nicely in it and it’s way better than looking at let say a RGB image in a browser that doesn’t have color management. Here is an article on the topic and more.

                                https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-tips/how-to-setup-proper-color-management-in-a-web-browser

                                IMO we should all be on the same page here so the easiest is to just upload sRGB instead of messing with your browser settings.

                                #2997 Quote
                                Steve Muench
                                Moderator

                                  I made no changes to any of the screenshot PNGs and all the others display fine. Must be a problem with that one PNG.

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